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3 Dead Deer Found Near Little Beaver Creek, East Palestine

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3 Dead Deer Found Near Little Beaver Creek, East Palestine




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  • spikefly

    They probably drank that creek water when it looked like rainbow kool aid. What an absolute nightmare. I really hope this doesn’t end up as bad as some are predicting/imagining.

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  • mvw2

    There’s a problem with assumptions…

    I do wish the government agencies had regular, daily press briefings to cover active work and progress. They could include Q&A. They could discuss feedback from the community based on things like this and respond with results of testing.

    It’s good that the public is concerned and want to fact check these agencies. It’s bad that it’s done without any actual science and testing. You don’t get to just guess at what you think happened and magically make it real. That’s why science is science. It’s actual work.

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  • _0x0_

    There is not a care in the world.. “we” seem to care more about what’s happening on the other side of the world, instead of what’s happening to our own citizens, tax payers, children. It’s a shame really.

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  • Fusionmaus

    Could it be possible all those deer were either hit or scared off the roadway bridge above the cameraperson’s head? A proper necropsy should be done.

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  • Rantheur

    **Disclaimer: I’m just a dude who googles shit**

    I’m going to do my best to ease the hysteria a bit around here.

    * [Vinyl Chloride](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Vinyl-Chloride#section=Environmental-Fate-Exposure-Summary)

    * [Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/2-Butoxyethanol#section=Environmental-Fate-Exposure-Summary)

    * [Ethylhexyl acrylate](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/2-Ethylhexyl-acrylate#section=Environmental-Fate-Exposure-Summary)

    * [Isobutylene](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Isobutylene#section=Environmental-Fate-Exposure-Summary)

    * [Butyl Acrylate](https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Butyl-acrylate#section=Environmental-Fate-Exposure-Summary)

    These are the compounds that were of greatest concern in the spill. All of these are dangerous in larges doses, but in open air they vaporize and break down within a few days. More relevant to the OP video, I encourage everyone to click those links and do a ctrl+f for the term “volatilization half-life”. Volatilization is the time it takes under normal conditions for half of the molecules of that chemical to vaporize (which then renders it harmless within days). What we want to look for is that volatilization half-life in a river model (1 m deep, flowing 1 m/sec, wind velocity of 3 m/sec) and a lake model (1 m deep, flowing 0.05 m/sec, wind velocity of 0.5 m/sec). There were “only” 11 cars with hazardous material in them and the cars used seem to have a maximum capacity of around 26,000 gallons. So at a maximum, we’re talking about 286,000 gallons of hazardous material. We’re 28 days out, so we’ll have to keep that in mind for how much material can possibly be in water at this point.

    Vinyl Chloride has a 2 hour half-life in a “river model” (1 m deep, flowing 1 m/sec, wind velocity of 3 m/sec) and a 3 day half-life in a “lake model” (1 m deep, flowing 0.05 m/sec, wind velocity of 0.5 m/sec). If all 11 cars were full of this, there would be nothing left in the river model and only 558 gallons left in the lake model.

    Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether has a 17 day half-life in a river model and 185 days in a lake model. If all 11 cars were full of this there would still be at least 143,000 gallons of it in the river model and virtually all of it in the lake model

    Ethylhexyl Acrylate has a 7 hour half-life in a river model and a 6 day half-life in a lake model. If all 11 cars were full of this, there would be none of it left in a river model and 17,875 gallons of it left in a lake model.

    Isobutylene has a 2 hour half-life in a river model and a 71 hour (we’ll call it 3 days for simplicity’s sake) half-life in a lake model. If all 11 cars were full of this there would be nothing left in the river model and once again only 558 gallons left in the lake model.

    Butyl Acrylate has a 5 hour half-life in a river model and a 5 day half-life in a lake model. If all 11 cars were full of this there would be nothing left in the river model and 8,938 gallons left in the lake model.

    Someone further down the thread mentioned that the EPA found elevated levels of [2-Ethyl hexanol](https://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/view/river-detail/1471/main), so we may as well look at that one too. It has a 41 hour (we’ll call it 2 days for simplicity’s sake) half-life in a river model and a 16 day half-life in a lake model. If all 11 cars were full of this there would be 17 gallons of it left in the river model and around 143,000 gallons of it left in the lake model.

    Now, all of this sounds super scary, so I can try to put things into perspective a little bit. An olympic-sized pool holds about 660,000 gallons of water, so if we add up all of the hazardous material, there isn’t even enough to fill half of that pool. That doesn’t mean it’s not dangerous, but that’s all the hazardous material that there could possibly be in this accident. In comparison the Little Beaver Creek has a flow rate of between [300 and 15,000](https://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/view/river-detail/1471/main) cubic feet per second. A cubic foot of water is roughly 7.48 gallons. This means that, at its slowest flow rate, this creek can fill an olympic-sized pool in roughly 5 minutes. That means the creek could fill 288 pools per day, that’s over 190 million gallons per day. In the absolute worst case scenario (assuming all the spill was Ethylene glycol monobutyl with its half-life of 185 days) we’re at 4 parts per million in 185 days and within a year that’s lower than 2 parts per million. The most likely scenario is that we’re already below 1 part per million due to the half-lives of these chemicals and the rate of flow of the creek. To break things down even more simply, the deer probably didn’t die from drinking the water and if they did, it probably happened within a week of the accident.

    tl;dr: If the deer died from drinking the water, it probably happened within a week of the accident.

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  • FortuneFinders

    Definitely couldn’t be the road right above them that they could have jumped off of right? Totally the water that got them

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  • kormer

    Look I’m not saying it wasn’t the spill, but as someone who lives in the woods, I find dead deer all the time, it’s just what animals do. It might be nice to do a necropsy on them to find out for sure, but posting random videos of dead deer doesn’t really get to the bottom of anything.

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  • casuallymustafa

    I know people find this crazy, but..

    I resided near Toledo, OH for 3 years and loved to walk/hike in the area.

    Seeing dead deer, fish, etc.. was a common occurrence.

    I forget the name of the park (had Bay in it), but whatever it was was polluted as hell. The shores of the lake were always covered in trash and gunk.

    Industry and the populace just didn’t take care of the environment at all over there.

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  • GeronimoRay

    I just wanna say – from someone who goes down under random bridges to fish a bunch – it is SHOCKING how many people throw dead animals off a bridge; not just deer but I’ve also found dogs, coyotes, horses and COWS.

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  • slightlyforthwith

    Hate to burst everyone’s bubble, but it’s possible they got on that bridge above and when a car started coming towards them they jumped off.

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  • washtubs

    Maybe get some scientists out there to examine the bodies. Seems super fucking inconclusive to just glance over them and say yeah no visible damage, must be poison. Not checking for broken bones, not even turning them over, not commenting on the broken antler. Seems like you’re just trying to get clicks unless you get some independent verification.

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