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Cops wrongfully ruin someone’s life… they acted correctly. This is whats wrong with law enforcement.
Cool, one more reason why you shouldn’t talk to cops even if you know you’ve done nothing wrong. They aren’t there to help you, they’re there to fill quotas and get people off of the street.
This is what TN law enforcement is about. Money money money
Why not use a breathalyzer to estimate blood alcohol concentration, and use that as the basis of further action?
Is an unreliable sobriety assessment, and then waiting 6 months for a lab result, and separating child from mother in the meantime, seen as somehow more just?
Why the fuck did it take 6 months to get the results back?
Yep, classic ruin your life in one night and the burden is on you to fix it, taking months to years.
My cousin got into a fist fight with a belligerently drunk dude outside of a bar who had been harassing some girls. Turns out the dude was an off duty cop. My cousin got arrested within minutes and this dude came over to him while he was cuffed face down on the ground and started taunting him, then put his foot on his head and slammed his face into the pavement. My cousin ended up in jail for the night, then spent the next 2 years in and out of court, paying legal fees and hiring a PI to subpoena the cruiser footage. Well, turns out they had the footage the whole time and it was bad. He ended up winning and was paid out a few hundred grand from the city and the cop was suspended with pay. Basically ruined his life for two years between 21-23 years old.
Police may not have courage to protect children from a school shooter, but they did have courage to protect a child from his loving mother but putting him in foster care
Heroes. The thick blue line
And yes, I know the police say thin blue line but lost cops have big bellies so I call their line pretty thick
In most states you DO NOT have to submit to a field sobriety test for reasons just like this. You may have to submit to a blood test though.
THIS HAPPENED TO ME!!!!! I was forced to go into a program to avoid going to jail. I failed the field sobriety test because i take prescription Vyvanse and his main flag were my eyes shaking which is caused by ADHD medication. I was taken back to the station were i said yes to the breathalyzer but the machine conveniently stopped working and wouldn’t print the results TWICE. I have a massive fear of needles and refused to let them draw blood so they considered it as refusing the breathalyzer as well, took my license away and slapped me with a DUI. I was 22 and just started my first real job at a very respectable place, absolutely turned my life upside down. The cop was nice enough to note in the report that i didnt refuse the breathalyzer and i had indeed passed, and it didnt print. The judge didnt give a single shit, she actually ended up giving me the longest license suspension she has given anyone for the same case since 2008
Police are trained to observe signs of intoxication. They’re also trained to not question their training. In this case, there were signs that she may have been intoxicated, but there were also clues that she wasn’t (ex. no odor of alcohol, no drug residue, odor of marijuana). Police don’t look for clues to disprove themselves. These are the same people that frequently investigate themselves and routinely find no evidence of wrongdoing. So, a day care worker said this woman was acting “off”. Cops come rolling up, already half hard with a justice boner, excited to potentially bag a “dangerous parent.” They are looking to prove this accusation right, they want the attention catching arrest. Do cases like this happen often? I don’t know. The problem is after all this, the arrest of an innocent woman, the felony charge, the 9 weeks of foster care, the court fees, the potential threat to her nursing license, etc. they don’t see an issue here. The cops believe “right or wrong, our actions were designed to protect the community and the welfare of a small child.”
So what will change? Nothing. The state sees cases like these as the cost of doing business. What should change? The training cops get on dealing with people under the influence of drugs and alcohol. Are we really supposed to believe that an officer with a few hours of training can accurately determine literally anything from a few seconds of having a person’s eyes track a pen? They’re subjective observations to objective actions. A cop could watch the one foot out test and say “at 13 seconds your foot dipped slightly. Based on my training and experience (the two things cops cite to get away with everything), I’m placing you under arrest for DUI.” What does a cop have to lose? To them, it’s not a “wrongful arrest”, it’s just an arrest that did not yield a conviction.
I was arrested for a DUI when I was 19. I was parked on private property making out with my girlfriend. A cop rolled up, said “I smell alcohol, you’re under arrest.” I offered to do a field sobriety test, but the officer said there was no need, he knew I was drunk, and took me to the hospital to get blood drawn (their BAC blowing machine was busted). I got a lawyer (at great expense for a 19 year old) and the blood came back at 0.0%.
I so wanted to yell at the pig “I told you, motherfucker!” But he had gotten what he wanted, fucked over a kid just because he could.
It’s not just the cops, it’s also the daycare centre manager.
But, mainly the cops. Don’t they have the breathalyzer thing to test on the spot?
Field Sobriety Tests are 10000% bullshit, and there should be zero use of them by police anywhere.
I honestly don’t know why it’s still legal for police to administer them.
I have to laugh at the archaic ways police determine someones sobriety in the US. Just give them a breathalyzer.
Fuck cops.
9 weeks?!?! You kid is in a stranger’s home because police rely on faulty evidence gathering techniques? WTF??
Good for her, now sue everyone you can and make bank.
Wow. I want to be outraged, but given all the other stories about police ineptitude that have come out lately, I just can’t. Seriously, how traumatized must this woman be now? As well as her kids? These sorts of errors are NOT trivial.
Never agree to a field test, never talk to the cops. Cuz cops are not there to help you. Know ur rights and be polite
This is kidnapping. Any ER can do an alcohol test in about 45 minutes, which should have been standard procedure. She failed the field sobriety test because she worked a long shift and the police didn’t know how to do their job, and the managers (Seargent) also do not know how to manage.
If only people were as up in arms about Amendment 6 as they are about others. The idea of a speedy trial is absurd to anyone familiar with how the simplest things take to figure out in court
# And it will still completely ruin her life.
Background checks look at arrests and charges. They don’t give a fuck if you got convicted or not. **With a charge like that on her record, she won’t be able to rent or work anywhere for 5-7 years in a blue state, or forever in a red one.**
Over 99% of landlords will not rent to someone with a felony charge on their record. And over 97% of jobs will not hire you. **They don’t give a fuck if you were innocent or not.**
America has the highest incarceration rate on the planet because the justice system is so harsh, its almost medieval. Everyone is free to look at any arrest and charge records, even though legally you’re completely innocent until convicted. Even worse, these records don’t go away even if you’re determined to be innocent or the charges are dropped. They stay around for life.
And there’s no laws about employers and landlords using them, so everyone does. Home loans, jobs, rental, banks, even social media.
**I got denied for fucking CAR INSURANCE because of my arrest, and it wasn’t even auto, alcohol, or drug related**
**I can’t use online dating apps either**
**And my charges were dropped like hers, legally I’m COMPLETELY INNOCENT.**
# Everyone in America is a cop’s bad day from having their life permanently ruined.
**Source:**
**Something similar happened to me. And I went from a secure middle class life with a professional career, to looking at living in a trailer working for cash under the table. I was never convicted of anything either, they dropped the charges. But America doesn’t care.**
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So next time your hear about some “criminal” “driving without car insurance” or “caught squatting in someones house”, consider that they are the modern equivalent of a Dalit, India’s untouchables. If you have one bad charge on your record, innocent or not, your life as you knew it is over. And even if you were guilty and did your time in the eyes of the state, the system is designed so that society is encouraged to keep punishing you for the rest of your life.
EDIT: I should add, most(not all) of the time, you can get records expunged. I’m working on it. But it’s not automatic, sometimes costs money, sometimes you have to wait arbitrary amount of time, and sometimes its up to “discretion” of whoever is doing it. As in, if they want to be a dick they can just say no.
“There was probable cause ~~for the arrest~~ to destroy 2 people’s lives”
Cop lady who cuffed her should be suspended without pay.
Imagine getting your kid taken away for 9 weeks, losing your license, job, reputation.. all for nothing.. just for the cops to come back 6 months later and be all like “my bad”
Okay. I’m Dutch.
What. The. Actual. Fuck? Why is the US police relying on dumb tests that you fail when you’re simply tired instead of you know…using regular alcohol testing equipment in the field? Literally every cop here has those. They’re dirt cheap too! You can even buy them online for 20 dollars each!
So now you don’t have only have a cam in your car, you also need to carry your own alcohol test to be safe from dumb cops?
Edit: A lot of Americans here defending the system because it also catches other forms of drugs. Yeah. And innocent people too. Fuck those right? Sheez…
Are people going to keep thinking that cops are good people who protect their communities or should I finally get the clown make-up removal kit out of the cupboard. Come on guys, we’ve saying this since the 60s, grow a spine.
The moment cops say they’re issuing a field sobriety test, they’ve pretty much already decided you’re intoxicated regardless of how well you do. You’re going to jail at that point.
Say nothing. Refuse a field sobriety test. Get a lawyer ASAP.
Do instant breath tests not exist in the US or something? I’m very confused by this whole thing
“A judge said there’s probable cause.”
Yeah, because they lie on their reports. The full released video is not a clear cut case of DUI and each and every single one of those cops needs to be fired because they’re all experienced police who should be *very* familiar with the guidelines.
There needs to be accountability for this. This is a gross violation of that person’s 4th and 14th Amendment rights.
Unpopular opinion: we go way overboard at even the suspicion of a DUI.
At one time, we were too lax, but now the pendulum has swung too far.
lets be honest, its possible that the police saved the lives of the two that night. But the fact there was no breathalyzer test and her child was in a foster home for 9 weeks is insane. The police should have just drove them home for the safety of them and others. But god is that fucking asking a lot in todays world…
**Never, ever, ever submit to a field sobriety test.**
There is no penalty for refusing a FST.
They are specifically designed to make you fail no matter what your condition is.
You cannot however refuse the breathalyzer.
The US police force is a joke. Do you know how long the police-academy lasts in Finland? 3 years with 1 year field training. Depending on the states in the US, police are trained for a few weeks or months max. No wonder you have these incompetent morons in charge over there.
why don’t the prosecutors goto jail for lying in court?
The most disturbing thing is that I personally know a prosecutor and she gloats about hiding evidence and lying and nearly getting caught. She’s straight up corrupt and it’s like she’s missing a cognitive mental faculty.
She confidently explained to me that theirs some people who are just plain bad and they would have eventually got caught later, so it’s ok that she lied.
This is why I pretty much have a panic attack when I get pulled over. You just don’t know what the police will say or do they can arrest you for complete bullshit.
Why does America still use a sobriety test when there’s somewhat more scientific approaches, feels rife for exploitation
Just an FYI for those of you that are interested – as a board certified Emergency Medicine physician with nearly a decade of experience, and thousands of patient interactions with intoxicated people in the ED setting, I can genuinely say I am still not very confident in picking out someone who may be over the limit or not. Sure if you’re hammered, that’s easy, but someone who has only had a few? Most times I’m sure I wouldn’t even notice. And I have extensive training, education, and experience with this.
Cops can take a 3 month course and be certified as an expert in drug and alcohol intoxication. Add to that a novice’s belief they are an expert, and it’s a disaster waiting to happen.
I’m glad cops can take true drunk drivers off the road. But I would personally never perform a field sobriety test if placed in her position. If faced with getting my car towed to go to the hospital to get a blood alcohol level, I would just get it towed and pick your next battle.
About 15-16 years ago around 3am i was ran off the road by some jerk on major road near where I was living, my assumption was that he was either drunk or wasn’t paying attention to what he was doing. He took off and I was left with a wrecked car into the jersey wall. I called 911 to report the accident (i hit the wall around 50mph which was the speed limit and was feeling kind of sore and wasn’t sure at the time how bad things really were). The ambulances and cops arrive. The cops interview me and immediately accused me of first being under the influence, and when I tested sober, they accused me of racing and losing control of my car at ‘160 mph’ based on the skid marks on the road. Now my car was wrecked but it wasn’t THAT wrecked. The cops told me they would write me up for reckless driving/racing unless I confessed right then to what I did, in which case they would knock the ticket down to something like ‘improper driving’, what ever that was. They tried really hard to pressure me into admitting guilt for something I didn’t do, and completely dismissed my side of the story. They even claimed there was witnesses who would take the cops side at court. They would point in a general direction where these ‘witnesses’ were supposedly at, and when I looked in that direction there was no one there but the ambulances. Keep in mind at 3am this road was dead empty the the only witness was the guy that ran me off the road and of course he’s long gone at this point. Needless to say i stuck to the truth, and got a ticket for reckless driving and a summons to appear in court. I got myself a lawyer, told him my side of the story, showed him the pictures of my car ‘which was wrecked at 160 mph’. The day of court my lawyer showed the prosecutor my photos. An hour or two later the ‘witnesses’ (that didn’t exist) amazingly also didn’t appear in court because they were ‘in New York and didn’t want to drive back to my state several hours away’. The prosecutor decided to not prosecute my case. I was free to go. This whole ordeal took several months about $1,000. Anyway lesson learned is never admit to anything. Fight it all the way into court.
This is what happens when the system rewards cops for bringing in “criminals” and not for just being a good cop including when they recognize someone isn’t a bad guy. Cops are incentivized to look for every way someone could be a bad guy and not for the ways in which they aren’t….. probably took 6 months because they wanted to wait for her to do something bad which would make them look less bad.